“The bottom line is this: Canada Post is effectively insolvent,” Lightbound said earlier Thursday.
“It provides an essential service to Canadians, and in particular to rural, remote and Indigenous communities, and Canadians are rightfully attached to it and want it saved. However, repeated bailouts from the federal government are not the solution.”
FFS it’s a service not a business; profit is not the goal. Paying bills for services isn’t ‘bailing out’ your service provider, it’s paying for what you’ve used.
Mail transit is essential for a modern civilization, and it’s not something that should be privately controlled. Having private options is fine, but there should ALWAYS be a federal mail service.
Seeing how we also do this with public transit, hospitals, libraries and other public services, this point of view is disappointing and unfortunately very prevalent. The only thing where we can dump billions without ever asking if it’s profitable, is roads. We can expropriate and build a 4 lane highway extension in the middle of a corn field for a little half a billion, multiple times, but funding hospitals, schools, public transit, clean water, the mail… ugh, such money pits!
And it’s not like private businesses offer service to the remote parts of the country. I find it odd how you can mandate it serves every address and has to be profitable. Those two things do not mesh. If you want it profitable it well drop serving every address.
If you want it [to be] profitable
itwell drop serving every address.That’s not an acceptable option either. Everyone should have access to mail service and as the private services aren’t obliged to provide it, the federal system needs to step up.
Public services are there to serve the public, not to turn a profit. It’s this expectation of profitability that needs to change.
private services aren’t obliged to provide it
Private services are not allowed to provide it. Canada Post has an exclusive monopoly by law.
It’s a service that’s mainly used by businesses to communicate with their customers. Why should taxpayers subsidize it? Charge more for postage to businesses and make them pay for it.
Regular people rarely send mail to other regular people. Extremely rarely.
It’s crazy how governments across the world are failing their citizens but seem to have unlimited money for corruption
Good. Eliminating all door to door deliveries is not the answer and whoever came up with that rationale needs to removed immediately.
And again, for the people in the back: Canada post is a service. It doesn’t make money. It costs money. Same way public healthcare does.
Why are they trying to spin it as a business that needs to generate profit or undertake cost cutting measures to exist and continue providing services that are still being widely used?
Because lots of rich people froth at the mount trying to get in on the privatization of a public service.
You don’t have to spin it as a business to say that evolving it to reflect reality makes sense. It is not exactly radical to say everybody should get the same level of service that the majority of us get today.
Fewer than 25% of Canadians have door to door delivery. Almost everybody gets delivery to a private mailbox very close to their house. Door to door delivery is down to under 4 million addresses. This is a 10 year plan to finish that transition. Not exactly aggressive.
You can still get delivery to your door if you are disabled.
Regardless of if it is a a business or an essential service, we should be honest about it. We used to send 5 times as much mail when we were fewer people. Why do we have to ignore that?
If 75% of us (like me) are totally fine with super mailboxes, I think the rest can handle it. I know that I could get away with delivery 3 times a week as well. In 2030, how time sensitive is something coming through regular mail. Let’s be real. I could wait one more day.
I agree with your notion of “evolving it” to fit the needs and requirements of today however I don’t agree with your other points.
Their plan is to remove door to door entirely, not just limit it to 3 days (which, I wouldn’t have any major qualms about at this time if that was the endgame, which it isn’t)
However I shouldn’t need to be disabled to receive this basic level of service, nor do I want to hobble over to the mailbox or postal office that’s “very close to my house” because the current one is a 15 minute walk on a good day, and a 35 minute trudge through half snow covered roads on a bad one. And if we’re going with this, hypothetically, how would I even know I have any mail? Do I get a call? Do I get a notice at my door? Do I just have to show up every so often and check?
If it’s option 1, I can assure you that my phone’s functions are set by default to filter and drop any unknown calls. So that’s far from an optimal approach.
If it’s option 3, I will not be randomly dropping by the postal office or box because currently nowhere near (or on) any common route that I take, and I have no reason to do a random cold check especially if I work primarily from home
And if it’s option 2, you’re already here to deliver my notice, might as well bring my mail instead.
Besides the above outlined items, I’m not going to touch the time sensitive items argument because Canada post handles more than just mail, they also handle biological deliveries, medicine, restricted substances, stuff like live bees, all your legal documents, subpoenas, medical, etc. plus a bunch of other services that I’m probably forgetting.
Nice one community mailboxes are close to the house. And most people already use them. So why should a select few get special treatment.
Community mailboxes are almost always a block away or less. Everywhere I’ve lived in the last 10 years I’ve just had to cross the street to check the mail. There’s no 15 minute walk…
If you’re used to having your mail right at your door, then having to go check it is a little extra hassle, but really not terrible. I check mine like once or twice a week.
Maybe Canada Post could implement something like USPS has: They’ll send you an email summary of pictures of the mail arriving each day.
Never heard of the USPS approach but it does seem interesting as a solution, thanks for sharing
What if you live in a very rural place? I shouldn’t have to drive to retrieve my mail which would surely happen as there aren’t enough houses nearby to warrant it being a community box location. I’d likely make sure I receive nothing via Canada Post anymore as much as possible, and they can fill some community box with junk mail until there’s no more room.
My grandparents live on a farm in rural Canada and have never gotten delivery to their door. They have a PO box at the nearest town which is a 30 minute drive away. They can’t even get anything shipped by a courier because non will deliver to a PO box or outside of town. As far as I know it’s always worked this way, and nothing is changing there.
Already happening rural places already have community mailboxes and have for a very long time. At least all the relatives I have known. Guess what nobody died and it worked fine.
Man the entitlement of people who are already the minority of people. When most of Canada already has mailboxes. Hell I didn’t even know door to door service was even a thing till they threatened to remove it last time.
Ah cut door to door delivery. Only a select few get it anyways.
It doesn’t need to be profitable, but if it’s literally burning billions of dollars a year, it’s quite obviously not efficient nor a smart use of our capital.
It’s net loss in 2024 of ~800million which isn’t even a single billion. I think 20bucks a year on canada post is pretty reasonable.
E: Oh and most of that loss can be attributed to the previous strike.
If billions of dollars a year is a problem, saving $20 million is meaningless. If not 1.5B a year, how much do you think is appropriate to spend so that all Canadians have mail service? How did you come to that figure?
Best I can find the government gave a $1 billion loan to Canada Post.
The toal expenditures in the 2024 budget was $538 billion.
This is having $500 in wallet and being concerned that the $1 you loaned to someone could have been spent better.
It has to start somewhere.
Maybe start somewhere that takes at least a whole 1% of the budget instead of what amounts to a rounding error.
Because the service you mention is paid for with postage, not taxes. Their shortfall was 841 million last year. Who is supposed to pay for that?
I have direct to door delivery right now. Every day I get flyers for assholes that want to buy my house for pennies on the dollar, and actual mail maybe twice a week.
Why are we paying for delivery the other 3 days?
The simple reality is that daily direct to door delivery isn’t necessary any more, and if I had to go for a 5 minute walk to collect my mail 3 times a week, I’d be fine with that.Then charge more for the junk mail?
why do people continually accept all of our public services getting shittier and shittier every year?
i’m not here to debate the corporate structure of canada post… whether it is a crown corp, or an arms length private corp, or whatever…
It’s a vital public service for all citizens… period. Make it work… for everyone…
Your particular use case is just one of thousands… actually, i agree with you. I technically dont need monday-friday service… but some others do and thats fine
Here’s the thing, right now for my 2-3 days of mail delivery per week, the postal service employee walks by my house every day.
The flyers that get dropped off on non mail days could just as easily be dropped off on the other 2-3 days instead.
This means that effectively for every piece of mail delivered to my house the 40-60% of the ‘last mile’ part of the postage costs are wasted on extra unneeded trips to/past my door.
For normal mail delivery we already have 5-10 day delivery timeframes. Anyone who accepts that variability doesn’t need daily delivery, and those that do need that clockwork delivery are using services like UPS or FedEx.And we don’t need to door delivery either it’s a waste. Most people already don’t get it. So what we give it to everyone Wich well increase the budget of Canada Post by alot. Or they get ride of it. Why should only about a quarter of people get special treatment.
It is not ‘vital’.
Unless the government is going to make Internet access an essential service and make sure all homes have access the same way they have access to electricity and water…
Yes, it is vital that everyone have access to mail.
Their shortfall was 841 million last year. Who is supposed to pay for that?
Taxes. It’s a government service.
The Department of National Defence had a shortfall of $28.8 billion last year, who is supposed to pay for that?The 2024 Federal budget had a revenue of 498 billion. The Canada Post “shortfall” was less than 0.2% of the budget.
Why should my taxes pay so you can get door service. I’ve never had that in my life. So why should 75% of the people pay so 25% can get door service. If you want it yiu should pay for it.
Why are you quibbling over a rounding error resulting in someone getting door service? If your concern is taxes there are much bigger fish to fry. (Fish that don’t occupy a statistically insignificant portion of the budget)
I don’t see why it should be subsidized with taxes.
Deutsche Post manages to successfully keep mail flowing as an independent self funded service, why can’t Canada Post?
The simple fact of the matter is that the union is unwilling to budge on finding ways to improve efficiency because the more employees they have paying dues, the more they get paid.
If this was a private company, they’d be willing to work it out because they’d be afraid of the business folding, but here they think the well runs not just deep, but infinitely so.If it was a private company, they wouldn’t be obligated to serve every Canadian, no matter where they are.
Canada Post is a public service and should be treated as such.
I don’t see why it should be subsidized with taxes.
I don’t see why 0.2% of the annual budget should be a focus of cost concerns. The total expenditure in the 2024 Federal budget was $538 billion dollars. If we subtract the cost of Canada Post from that it would be… About $538 billion dollars.
If this was a private company, they’d be willing to work it out because they’d be afraid of the business folding
That goes for the business refusing to negotiate with the union. If it was a private company they wouldn’t have the option of waiting until the government forces everyone back to work without an agreement.
One thing the USPS does well is sending me an email every morning with a picture of every mail piece that’s going to be delivered that day. Then I can decide if it’s worth checking the mailbox
I can go weeks without checking it
I go weeks without checking mine and I don’t have that feature. Nothing is really time sensitive.
I haven’t mailed a letter in decades, and a guy in cute shorts just brings me junk mail every day.
Society has evolved. There are no more milkmen or ice deliveries any more either.
Looking at the loss numbers cited since 2018 come down to $20-30 per Canadian per year tops. This whole hullabaloo, erosion of confidence, economic disruption and more are over that. Mail and parcel delivery is basic economic infrastructure today. Having a public, reliable delivery service that covers all of Canada, that’s run below cost, is an economic enabler for Canadian businesses, like water, electricity and roads. I can’t believe we’re doing what we’re doing right now, especially for a government that talks about boosting Canada’s economy. Ridiculous.
E: I’m beginning to believe that this isn’t about incompetence mismanagement but perhaps willful mismanagement on the part of CP’s exec layer who perhaps see higher compensation on the horizon, should CP be privatized. Of course at the expense of everyone else, workers, businesses and individual Canadians.
Support to these workers striking - Mark Carney promised he wouldn’t do austerity like Pollievre and hes blatantly breaking that promise with funding cuts for Canada Post. If there’s a crisis at Canada Post its because they need to be funded, not have working hours cut in the name of austerity.
Want to know how to get Canada Post back on its feet, financially? Ban private delivery services.
They don’t need to turn a profit but the costs need to be financially sustainable. I don’t think banning competition is a good move, that’s unnecessary. The question should be posed to Canadians at large: what is CP’s services worth to us, as a nation? Lemmy’s views will certainly be skewed but we need an honest holistic view. Based on @[email protected] calculation in this thread I’m cool with the $50 a year ‘fee’, but that will certainly grow with their losses and they do need capital investment to improve/modernize aspects of the service.
Oh I am aware that they don’t really need to turn a profit. Net zero / cost recovery is more than good enough. And I am in no way implying using government legislation to regulate that market. We need Canada Post to change their business model where they can still retain their currently hired employees. Are they seriously not able to make significant changes to their existing model to be more competitive? It reeks of a non-innovative c-suite and board (and government officials) unwilling to take the hard road of actually working with the employees to make complex organizational changes. They are taking the easy way out via ‘standard accounting/business practices’ by slashing services and worker layoffs. That’s the easy way out.
What does the hard way look like? How about sitting down with union employees down to the lowest worker level and actually find ways for cost savings and new business opportunities to patch the shortfall? I don’t to believe that CP management truly has tried other than finger-pointing at external private businesses stealing their lunch from underneath them or government legislation that’s unwilling to change (because the fed gov is really the one in control here - so again, I’m saying they’re just taking the easy way out. You think an elected federal government employee is going to sit down and do the hard work to go around talking to a large number of union employees to find a way through all this? My bet is no - they’ll take the easy way out.)
Why do they need their current level of employees. Maybe they need to downsize of service is being cut.
Sure, I think we can agree they have lots of employees. What do each of them do? Now, why can’t we have other kinds of jobs for workers instead of straight up layoffs? I’m saying going straight to downsize is the easy solution because no one in upper management etc wants to develop new businesses that CP can do and service and still make money!! Are some jobs obsolete and outdated? Very likely. Is there a lot of redundancy? I’m sure every government run entity has it. Now who made the shots of hiring more and more? Management. Why aren’t they the first to go? Why is the onus on lower level employees?
We can let people go, eliminate jobs all we want about a shrinking business model because they (management) didn’t pivot or come up with new models to effectively retain cost-neutral/profitability. What isn’t the government and CP saying instead of going straight to cuts? Show us what they tried to get out of this deficit. Well turns out from all the reporting, they did very little and the private sector took their lunch. What a disaster.
Postage services can be so much more, they just aren’t willing to try. Why can’t they do basic banking? Financialization. They had the opportunity to but chose not to because they’re dinosaurs with outdated business models. Be a storage depot / warehouse for small businesses. I’m just throwing ideas out there.
Canada post’s costs are less than 1% of the government budget.
If we’re looking to save money there’s better places to look.
…or at the very minimum crack down on the ‘independent contractor’ nonsense. Make Amazon pay for UI, vacation, healthcare, car insurance, for all its delivery drivers. Our politicians allow too many scams, and it hurts everyone.
Compete , optimize operation cost, and don’t listen to trump asking to spend 5% on NATO
Make Canada post a military division? Heh
Are you an idiot? Canada has no unlimited money . Canada will keep increasing the military defense while reducing the quality of all the services
Apparently I am, because I can’t parse that comment.
We should meet the 2% at the very least.
Competition divides revenue, which leads to lower wages and benefits. The only people that benefit from competition, are the ones who own the company. And Canada Post is a government service. Its success should not be tied to profits.
The only people that benefit from competition, are the ones who own the company.
Ask people in BC how much they benefit from ICBC having a monopoly on car insurance…
I mean they’re doing better then Albertans.
Ask anyone in BC what their private health insurance looks like these days. Lots of companies out there, and none of them are offering plans anywhere close to what they used to. The difference is, ICBC has the largest cash reserve for payouts…while private insurance companies only have a fraction. That’s why premiums go up and services go down. None of them alone, are able to make enough money to sustain the level of service we expect. Put them all together, and they should. But only if you also remove the profit margins from the equation.
You want to fix ICBC…then we need to regulate it better. The more it behaves like a private insurance company, the worse the service gets. Treat it like a non-profit public service, and watch it come back to where it should be.
I mean Alberta has only private insurance and the highest rates on the country. So private isn’t the answer.
Perfect example.
Canada Post need to compete on quality of services, not in profits. Being not about profits should gives post canada an advantage if the government is serious at preserving quality public services
I disagree they need to compete at all. They provide essential services that aren’t replaceable by private services.
The government is trying to make the service worse for people by seeking profitability of the service over it’s quality
…you can’t compete with Amazon using ‘independent contractors’ that drive their own cars, work until 10pm, 7 days a week, with no benefits.
Will banning amazon improve post canada services?
Making Amazon pay its workers would greatly level the playing field so Canada Post can compete again.
We need to spend more money on defense sorry. The world is changing and we are severally underfunded for defence.
Not by sacrificing other things
So ban themselves too? Might want to lookup who is the majority shareholder of purolator…
Let’s not make an untenable situation even worse. Also government intervention in the marketplace never ends well, and it’s time to face the facts. Mail as it was, is no longer viable. That’s going to suck for a lot of people, and I mean that sucks for sure, I’m not a heartless bastard. But, it pretty clearly isn’t functional.
Crown corporations hold monopolies in Canada all the time. Canada Post is only losing money, because it’s only delivering mail. Instead of that service including packages, the Canadian government allowed them to outsource those services to private contractors. That’s when they started losing money. Privatization is how all good services eventually die. They need to take that back, and start providing more than just mail delivery, if they’re going to stay solvent.
Expanding Canada Post has been a disaster every time it’s been tried. They are always too slow to respond, and it’s always been just an endless suck of funds. I’m thinking about their stores concepts, the Facebook wanna be marketplace. There’s been a lot of turds over the years. Big old confused and bloated crown corp, like we’ve all seen this one.
Is it mismanaged, for sure it has been. I agree on the precipice that privatization usually sucks, that’s not what I’m really arguing for. But when we say if they are going to be solvent, they need to do more than mail delivery, like right there that’s the gist. Mail delivery isn’t ever going to be a solvent endeavor. So now the question is, OK so where’s the fine line here then, like what’s enough and how much are we willing to burn, what’s not enough and what is too much cash spent? Canada Postal Workers Union though, just drew a line in the sand so hard that I’m not sure how they envision coming out of this one on top, like the institution is belly up for all intents and purposes. On the flip side, the executives obviously fucked this one up pretty hard too.
I dunno, it’s a real son of a situation, that’s for sure. One that isn’t likely going to end well for either side, no matter what falls out here.
Canada Post hasn’t been “expanded” at all, though. It’s been carved up and sold off over the last 10 to 15 years, thanks to the Harper government’s intervention in the way they are allowed to operate. Prior to 2010, CP was one of the most efficient and profitable institutions in Canada.
But thanks to the Harper government, they stopped providing the kinds of services that are now dominated by private companies, who all swooped in to fill the void created by those decisions to “cut operating costs”. Those jobs used to be all done by Canada Post. Now they’re all being done by FedEx etc.
This was a deliberate effort by the Harper government to starve Canad Post of revenue, in order to hasten the shift to a fully privatized delivery system. We’re just watching the final results of those decisions now.
Yes the fact that USB c can charge all phones now is horrible how could the EU have done this to the world.
Years of fake colleges bringing in cheap ‘independent contractors’, undermining Canada Post. This is 100% on the Liberals, allowing fake Canadian colleges to exist. Allowing these jobs to be classified as independent. Everyone knows the scam, it happened under the Liberals. Shame.
I blame all the parties. You can too!
I’m a lefty, but not partisan. This nonsense has been happening at a Federal level for years (immigration and colleges are federal), the Liberals have been in power since 2015. So this is the LIberal’s fault. They’ve recently put a cap on International students, that helped, but too little too late.
Jesus fucking Christ no. It was conservative cuts to the service.
How do college students undermine Canada Post? Please, be specific.
The theory is that students need jobs and money leading to an oversaturated market of gig workers. So delivery companies (whether it’s packages or food) can offer terrible wages and still find people willing to work those jobs.
I do believe there is some truth to that, but the problem isn’t the students directly, it’s that our labour laws aren’t strong enough to protect these workers.
If Amazon and Uber and Skip all had to pay their drivers as actual employees and give them benefits and cover vehicle and insurance costs, they’d be a lot less competitive compared to all the other businesses (like Canada Post) that are providing those things.
In Ontario we’ve had a proliferation of for profit career colleges. The student visa is used to get into Canada, granted by one of the for profit degree mills. But in reality they are schemes by people looking to work in Canada, that couldn’t get a proper work visa.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/20000-indian-students-didnt-show-in-class-after-arriving-in-canada-what-happened-to-themThat has nothing to do with Canada Post, though. Are you suggesting they were all lost in the mail?
The people who come in and then drive for Amazon.
Stand with the posties and send a message to this government that siding with corporations instead of labour won’t end well.
I’m curious to see just how quickly Hajdu will reach for that trusty section 107.
Whenever it happens, we’re all in for some pure cinema as the feds realize they’ve already spent the last magic bullet.
I’m not standing with either side here. This is going to be a case study in how not ever being able to reach a compromise completely destroys the public’s confidence in an institution. I just watched a rather large institution say behind closed doors today, that they’ll never have confidence in CP and it’s very soon going to be codified in their policy that it’s never used for any corporate purposes in the future. I’m also on a board that has already reached that conclusion with the uncertainty earlier this year, and now has a resolution out to their membership at their AGM to only electronically send notice for funds collections in the future, as CP can no longer be counted on.
CP is legitimately fucked, in more ways than one, and will never exist in the way it did yesterday morning, no matter what happens here. This is the nightmare scenario, and both the executive and the union only have themselves to thank for it. Their membership should be mad as hell, because not very many of them are going to have the jobs they once did. As a tax paying Canadian, I’m pretty mad at the executive too, how they can burn that much cash is mind boggling. Pretty f’n broken. You can curse me and throw all the hate that you want at me for this viewpoint, but it’s the stone cold truth.
CP has already lost so much business with the first strike and the one last Christmas. People don’t bother moving back once the have found and set up an alternative. No another strike good luck getting people to use your services.
What changed for 2018 to turn gains to losses?
I think the angle people aren’t looking at more is the financial side of things and actually calculating it out. [https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/our-company/financial-and-sustainability-reports/2024-annual-report/our-financial-picture.page](Canada Post’s Financials - See the first chart yourselves)
So it seems like 2018 they invested a little and the loss reduced. COVID happened so the big loss there isn’t surprising. However, in between the reduced service, someone ate their lunch or their upper management / c-suite / board no longer has the qualifications to lead it’s own team. Change the management already.
The monetary part of how much this subscription to Canada Post is going to be…: 841 million/41 million (current Canadian population) ~= $20.51 cents (rough math of ~$52.56 dollars per household based on 16 million addresses in Canada Post’s system) Canadian to have delivery/mailbox/post offices/parcel pickups. Now go compare the rates that Canada Post offers versus FedDex, DHL etc. Ask yourself, would you still use Canada Post?
So yeah, let’s all be outraged about $52.56 dollars for this service.
Federal government is spending 13 billion on a VW battery plant in St Thomas, Ontario
That’s 13 billion dollars / 41.million Canadians = $317 per Canadian
This is projected to employ 3000 people. Canada Post employs 62,300 people.
Canada post employs 21 X as many people as the VW plant hopes too.
CP could lose 1 billion a year for 273 years before it would cost the Canadian tax payer as much per job as the VW plant workers do. And that is if the VW plant stays on target and doesn’t end up like North Volt
I don’t know what the path forward for Canada Post is but the government narrative is whack. If the government is trying to save money why are they spending so much for 3000 jobs and celebrating that as a huge win?
It seems like they don’t value workers or Canadians just corporate profits at the Canadian tax payers expense.
We should expect more from our government.
The $13B was production based tax credits. No one explains how government funding works, or the milestones.
Maybe instead of giving away tax credits, they should use those taxes to improve Canada Post…
Tax credits are not the same thing as cash. You can’t “spend tax credits” on Canada post, the credits are there to bring the business in and give them credits based on the further income they bring to the country
If they didn’t give out tax credits then they would receive that amount in taxes. From the government’s point of view tax credits are a reduction in revenue.
I don’t think 10% fewer tax credits would have made the difference of the factory being built or not. VW has plenty of money to pay taxes.
The whole point of the tax credits was to convince them to bring the business here in the first place.
Decrease the tax credits by 10%, sure. The business goes elsewhere to build their factory, what’s 10% of $0?
Exactly, we should all be outraged at the other expenditures that the federal government is pushing. What good does a VW battery plant do for us as Canadians as a whole when it’s for a private foreign company???
I will also say, you can’t compare a battery plant to a postage service. The model to fund CP used to work until it didn’t.
We should be asking what went wrong? Why is that so? Why aren’t their executives being fired and the board changed? Did they even ask their own union employees for real feedback on what can be changed other than the tidbits we hear in the news? Because it seems like these days a lot of upper to mid management seem to be trying real hard to justify their own existences - elected government officials included (which we should always keep them to the fire and expect a high level of competence for handling our taxpayer money and good governance for us all equally).
Both sides got what they wanted. Wouldn’t compromise, and well, here we are. A crown corp that cannot continue in it’s current form because it’s totally insolvent, a union thats got itself backed so far into the corner that it’s pretty much hopeless and that can’t now crawl out of without basically getting hung at high noon by their membership, and the Average Joe Canadian and Canadian businesses who won’t ever be confident enough to seriously use their services for the foreseeable future.
Golf claps to all involved.
Why should Canada Post be “solvent”? It’s mandated to serve every Canadian address. Have you considered what that means? It means it has to send mail to the furthest reaches of Grise Fiord (look for it on Google Maps). A business would never deliver there, and they don’t because it’s not profitable. A non-discriminatory mail service is not a profit business, it’s a public service of the government. Firehalls ans library systems have budgets, but no one expects them to be solvent because they’re services supported by public funds (taxes), not businesses.
What is getting so lost in all this social media outrage, is no one is proposing the total ending of mail delivery here. It’s still going to occur, just with some adjustments coming to make the service less of a capital burner, and maybe more of a service that’s matched to the reality of a modern age. It doesn’t make much sense to me that everyone is so opposed to this. Ol’ Grise Fiord is going to still receive their mail under this new proposed system. Well I mean they were until the postal union led their employees off the job once again for the umpteenth time.
I’m by no means against reduction or modification of service to match the reality of less mail being sent and delivered. Reduction of service and tax funding are not mutually exclusive.
But a legal mandate to serve all Canadians and a mandate for “solvency” based solely on postage are mutually exclusive in a country as geographically large as Canada with all our small, rural and remote (i.e. Unprofitable) communities.
Well I mean they were until the postal union led their employees off the job once again for the umpteenth time.
Canada Post continuously refuses to negotiate with the union and relies on the Government forcing them back to work instead of coming to an agreement, and you’re surprised that they go on strike again?
I’m surprised that it took this long and that the service I was receiving was decent.
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I don’t want to use anything else but a government service to deliver passports and bank cards.
Could you not return to the passport office or the bank to take care of that? We all need to set fire to billions of dollars a year because you require white gloved seven day delivery, to your door, of these things?
Passports shouldn’t be coming through the mail either, I’ve always felt that way about this, regardless of the current situation. You should be returning to a desk to pick up such an important document, and providing proper ID to a properly trained individual to receive such a thing, in a controlled environment.
We all need to set fire to billions of dollars a year…
Funding Canada Post is less than 1% of the government’s budget. This is not the place to focus on cutting costs.
You should be returning to a desk to pick up such an important document, and providing proper ID to a properly trained individual to receive such a thing, in a controlled environment.
How much is that going to cost? The amount of wasted money and man hours to do that justifies the cost of Canada Post.
