About a year ago y’all got pissed at me for saying he’d do this.
One of his first official acts was to break a strike 🤷
As is tradition.
It was clear from day 1 he’s a banker and doesn’t care about us. But he does want Canadian gdp to go up, which indirectly helps us…
Basically we’re in trickle down territory. Such sucks, but it’s better than the alternative…
Okay, but that doesn’t help me, “economy do better,” doesn’t help me. The cost of living in this country has only gotten more expensive with poorer quality goods and services over the course of my entire adult life. Maybe you benefit from this, as many middle class Canadians do, I do not. Canada and the US are firmly on the path to fascism, and this is not some deviation from that. Trumps image of fascism has proven too unpopular for its own use, but exceptional at enabling liberals to claim some level of inevitability and desirability in their politics, both of them would prefer that I die rather than threaten capital whatsoever.
I wonder if anyone benefits from a system wherein a sufficient number of people feel compelled to tolerate an obviously bad choice because the “only other choice” is worse. Hmmmmm.
I immigrated to Canada in 2007 as an adult and it felt great here. Cost of living and housing was manageable and I felt like I could have a great future then it started going to shit almost immediately and when 2020 hit even before COVID it started feeling like absolute shit and it has been getting worse and worse. Benefits cut and things getting more expensive.
Yes, and that’s topical in more than one way, Mark Carney was the governor of the bank of Canada during the '08 crisis. At the time, his response of lowering prime and encouraging spending was viewed as risky, but it is also credited as the reason that Canada fared better than other G7 nations. That policy is also what facilitated the housing bubble we are now reliant on for our fucking economy to function.
Hence why I am adamant that this is not some necessary evil or delay of the inevitable.
Yeah I guess I’m just not as optimistic as you. I really don’t think I’m benefiting from the decline.
I honestly thought you had a stroke or something before I realized that you just said that “GDP go up,” is not part of a “decline.”
That’s not what I said. Though you have an optimistic outlook. And that’s good!
Yes, that is what you said, but you don’t seem to understand how these things interact. I’m optimistic in that I don’t believe capitalism is an inevitable way of life, but you seem to think any of my comments suggest that this system is working, which is the exact opposite of what I’ve said.
No, that’s not what I said. And I never said your comments suggest the system is working.
You really are very optimistic. I bet that feels great. I’m happy for you!
Banker is gonna bank. The stuff he does to support Canada like refusing to agree to the preposterous trade terms of the US are shit anyone would refuse. PP would have failed on every level and made a fool of himself and the process at least.
Carney hates the law when it comes to protecting the environment. We need proportional representation now for real democracy.
I still like green. Yeah laugh at me, I’m used to it. And probably deserve it…
Me too. If you care about the environment there really isn’t another party.
Pretty much. Other parties give lip service for the most part, if that.
Motherfucker
I hope the court says no. What a dick.
I really don’t want him to have a majority. He’s like the third grade teacher everyone loves until you find out he beats his wife.
Guy’s been honest about his intent since day one my gal.
Girl. And no, he hasn’t. I don’t remember him ever disclosing his intention to allow Doug Ford to be corrupt, as long as he supported Carney’s pipeline.
What exactly did you think it meant when he ran on public investment in private industry? Did he have to wear a T-shirt that said, “Cronies Are My Homies” during the debates for it to count as clear?
Again, I was not expecting corruption. Especially Ford-flavoured corruption.
That doesn’t mean he wasn’t honest though, just that many people don’t know what signs to look out for.
Canadians didn’t want the Carbon levy. That was clear.
W-what?
It’s a common occurrence and emotion. You meet a guy, he seems nice, then it turns out he’s a literal women beater. It’s like a mix of anger, sadness, and regret, but with a softer and more intricate taste.
I hate neolibs
I wish we had Carney controlling external affairs and trade and NDP handling everything internal. Every domestic policy he’s made has sucked, but he’s done such great things with trade relationships and is a very skilled diplomat.
He spoke well at Davios, then seems to have failed in every negotiation with the us. He totally caved on the digital services tax. What did it get us?
I don’t see how he’s super skilled as a diplomat
seems to have failed in every negotiation with the us.
How do you “succeed at negotiating” with a country that is demanding you give up your sovereignty and allow then to do whatever they want? One whose leadership can’t accept the concept of a mutually beneficial result?
A very skilled diplomat would know how to do that would they not?
I agree the job he’s attempting to do is very difficult. The negotiation terms were so obviously unacceptable that maybe we shouldn’t have given up the digital services tax? Maybe we shouldn’t have immediately caved?
It’s true that lack of capitulation on these things would have now looked to have brought about the unacceptable terms, but we would be exercising that sovereignty.
My point wasn’t that he should have accepted the terms, but that a “super skilled diplomat” would have achieved more.
Canada’s position and reputation has improved, but that is just because of how fucking HATED the US and Trump is right now.
right, maybe not because carney so skilled, but more because he’s seen as against trump?
I wanted to write this about Carney (who I voted for) I do not like him at all. I do not the degradation of freedoms, benefits, and democracy and increased surveillance that he is pushing for.
But that being said. I do not envy his position. He is perpetually caught between a rock and a hard place. As much as I hate Trump, the only thing I would hate more is actually being forced to deal with the guy. Carney did a lot of concessions that I do not approve of, but I honestly do not have a concrete plan for what to do.
Where are the “Elbows Up” people??
I know this isn’t a popular take here, but how is Canada supposed to avoid a recession without exploiting our resources?
Carney was brought in to strengthen our economy, and he’s doing just that. Would I prefer it to be done without increasing pollution? Of course. But that’s just not how this works.
I think we in Canada all need to decide here. Do we want as many full bellies as possible until climate change destroys us, or do we forego full bellies in hopes climate change is delayed by 7% (our contribution to global fossil fuel extraction). Tough choices.
Carney was brought in to strengthen our economy
You say this as if everyone agreed to it. It really seems more likely to me that carney was voted in because he wasn’t trump aligned.
We don’t avoid a recession, we embrace it. People don’t need money. They need food and housing. I have money, I don’t have enough food and housing.
Let the economy crash into the ground, as long as I can have food and housing. And yes, we can still have food and housing in a recession. And yes, we can in fact have more than we have now. I understand somebody is already mad at me, ready to say it doesn’t work that way, but a recession absolutely would lower the price if housing which is what the majority of many Canadians income.
And I will say it right now: I don’t care at all if right ritch people lose money. I don’t care at all.
Let the economy crash into the ground, as long as I can have food and housing.
You don’t get it. That’s ok!
I’ll say it again:
I don’t care about rich people. A huge GDP isn’t required to have food and housing.
I’m not sure you understand what forcing a recession entails, and I haven’t heard of any plan. You can instead use the economy to bully those you’re angry at. If you have money, invest only in things you believe in and starve the rest. Poison those companies you hate for others too.
While we don’t exactly need money, we will always need some kind of metric for trustworthiness, and that’ll become the problem when money is gone. We need to incentivize people to work towards our social goals, or not even farmers would feed more than their families. We need money for now, but redistributed would certainly be better.
Ah there it is! Yes, I know you don’t think it works that way. That’s ok!
I’ll say it again- money isn’t real, we don’t need it, I don’t care about capitalism or rich people. I really dont. If they all just… went away… I wouldn’t care. I hope they do ;)
I think we should learn the lesson that covid taught us is possible. Shut everything down, shelter in place, guarantee food and housing (as you say), medical care, and education, but everything that is not absolutely essential can go to hell.
Like covid, the difficulty is getting enough other countries to go with the same plan to make it work. I don’t think austerity for Canada would fix the world if the neighbours aren’t doing it too.
I think we should learn the lesson that covid taught us is possible. Shut everything down, shelter in place, guarantee food and housing (as you say), medical care, and education, but everything that is not absolutely essential can go to hell.
WTF are you talking about? Lockdown worked for 10 days before everyone declared themselves essential. Tim hortons never locked down -shitty coffee is essential?
Then we had an attempt at insurrection in Ottawa.
You get it! I’m not saying it would be painless, but we don’t need most of the stuff we think we do. We don’t need phones or cars or airplanes or diamond rings. We need food and housing. Even in a recession we have more than enough “money” for that.
I don’t care about rich people things. Shelter and food. Anything else is a luxury.
It’s not one or the other and we have to stop falling into this black and white, one or the other thinking. It’s reductionist at best and ignorant at worst.
