Good thing the Tesla board voted to give Elmo all those billions to make him stay, because for a second there was an actual risk that Tesla could survive as a company without Elmo, but now they kept him and made sure they’ll all go down off that cliff.
There is no way I would tickle him!
What if you could use a baseball bat? Maybe with nails in it.
How many nails, and are they rusty and mostly blunt?
Better dunk the whole shebang in raw sewage just to be safe.
I bought byd stock. It keeps going down. I will never understand investing
And I’ve been holding tesla for years and it goes up even when news is shit. I don’t get it either
It’s just too complex for you. You’ll never understand things like regression charts, Fibonacci patterns and crime
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Auto
Realistically their sales in Europe are a statistical noise.
Markets can stay irrational longer than you and I can stay solvent.
Chinese indexes/etfs are mostly good for its stability, overall it doesnt grow as much as other markets, but it tends not to drop as much either.
You never buy an individual firm stock unless you have insider knowledge.
I don’t get how a company is losing this much in multiple countries yet is still operating?
Like if they can lose this much and still be operating and investments not tanking, would it follow that they can pay better wages and benefits?
The US is corrupt enough at this point the only thing massive corporations have to do to survive is be massive.
Many companies that never even have turned a consistent profit are major players in the US economy.
The idea of valuing actual market competition is a distraction conservatives point to as a cool aesthetic and it has little to do with the economic reality of the US. So long as the right people are in power a dictatorship is totally acceptable to conservatives by and large and the inevitable end result of that as we are seeing are stunning displays of incompetency at the highest levels of power.
in US the patriotism is injected into a brand. Way more money than brains.
Yeah go figure we keep on pumping money into oil companies, when solar and batteries are tariffed. Easy to set why Trump has gone bankrupt so many times.
We even have electric companies actively trying to deter home solar installs with legislation, while other counties are embracing a VPP model.
Last I checked years ago, they sold their carbon credits for a whole lot of money whenever they earned them.
Yeah Tesla only incidentally makes cars. Their accrual business is being a Carbon Credits dealer. Which just goes to show that the whole concept of carbon credits is nonsense. Climate change can’t be solved by market mechanisms
If the problem we want to solve is how to consolidate wealth and power in a few private hands the fastest, the unregulated free markets is the solution.
How tf does someone with a bajillion dollars look like a pile of wet garbage bags at 54? Aren’t they all supposed to be using lotions made from aardvark assholes and incubus foreskins to maintain immortality?
You laugh, but it’s worse than you might think.
Literal vampire shit lmao.
Well it turns out that ketamine isn’t the elixir of life.
You take that back. You take that back right now!!
My commute is about 20 miles a day. Charging level 1 at work is enough unless I go out on the weekend. My Nissan Leaf has been good enough for me. And it is neither Tesla nor Chinese.
My only gripe with that car is that it looks really bland. Then again I am no James Dean where I sit with two kids seats with the back full of shopping
I think it’s a good looking car. My problem with it is chademo. It’s unfortunately the betamax of plugs.
Damn good car too. My bro rocked one for years, deceptively large inside. Quarterly he’d drive about 1000km in it which I think was mad but made it work, 80km at a time!!!
Come on Canada, let us have cheap BYD, fuck the US economy.
nah, forget about them
let us have economical cars because we don’t need these massive expensive things just to go 5km to get a load of groceries
Let us have safe bicycle infrastructure do that we can bike to those stores, how about that? And with that, add mixed constructions in the suburbs so that people have small local stores around.
A bike costs a fraction of a car
Bicycle infrastructure building and maintenance costs a fraction of that for cars
Bicycles don’t emit CO2. And for those wise asses saying that the cyclist does, it’s a fraction of a fraction of a car because you’re not lugging 2 tonnes of stell around to transport you and a bottle of milk.
Cycling infrastructure is much more efficient, you can push a shit tonne more people over the same road if you don’t need big ass cars. Yes, even your Mercedes smart car is I ass compared to a bicycle
It creates much much less pollution from tire dust
It’s much safer, bicycles kill only a fraction of the people that cars kill all year round
It’s healthier, people do exercise not because they went to the gym, but all day every day with their bikes
It cuts the noise pollution
It’s cheaper because no taxes, no gas needed, maintenance is a fraction of that of a car.
It’s way less wasteful
It lowers aggression. Though it may or may not exist, I’ve never heard of bicycle road rage
Need more?
Less cars is less parking spaces. Parking spaces get cities barely any taxable income. Instead of these ugly ass concrete wasteland parkitsoaces you can now have restaurants with outside patios which can be taxed. Couple that with the cheaper infrastructure, and that alone should be an obvious reason as to why do this
It’s really not that much slower. For typical short trips, bicycles usually only add some 10-20% of required time to your trip.
For any trip over say, 5-10 kilometers, use good public transportation
For those once in a lifetime trips where you actually need a car because you need to transport something huge, use one of those Evo rent-a-car.
In the Netherlands, a huge amount of people don’t have a car. Not because they can’t (they totally can) but because it’s stupid to have one. You can go everywhere by bike, you can jump with your bike in a train when needed to go further, cars are expensive and bad for everyone, why even have one?
I agree with all of this and personally I have replaced as many car trips as I can with a bicycle
however I also recognize that that’s simply too far for most people right now, at least in my area. people love their cars. I would just love it if they weren’t so damn dangerous and offensive, and I wasn’t nearly killed every time I go out and they come near me. that’s literally a 50/50 chance when I bike to the grocery store that somebody nearly kills me (actually in the past 3 weeks that ratio is a little bit safer, but history shows that I’ll have a bunch of things happen in a short time to bring it back to even).
first we need people to recognize that they don’t need massive vehicles. then an extension of that logic is that they don’t need a motor vehicle for a lot of things.
That works in the city but i live in a remote area, and have an hour and a half round trip to work every day because its not economically viable for me to move closer.
Since I doubt Canada/BC will spend the money putting in viable public transit/high speed rail, I just want them to do the bare minimum to allow me to afford to stop burning gas to afford my next meal.
While striving for turning every small town into a walkable city sounds great and amazing on paper, the reality is it won’t happen, so we should push for baby steps in the right direction instead only focusing on the absolute ideal.
You’re saying “this solution won’t work for me so nobody should have it”. Try instead “good that it works for you, but I need XYZ so we can tackle the problem on both fronts.”
That’s… Not at all what I am saying.
Go read the rest of the thread, where I agree the ideal is great, but we should be taking realistic steps towards it, instead of an unrealistic, all or nothing attitude that doesn’t take rural Canadians into consideration.
I misunderstood you then. We seem to be of the same opinion.
Us as well. I am disabled. One hour drive one way to the hospital. Grocery store is half an hour. A train would be awesome but they keep ripping up tracks here so that’s not likely.
stuff like this is why I want to focus on the wide, sweeping generalization of “smaller vehicle is better”
there’s no need for someone in your position to drive a massive crossover for your commute in case you need to pick up 30 lb of groceries after work. you can do that with a hatchback, and pretty much the biggest reason that people don’t choose to do it with a hatchback is that they’re afraid of the bigger heavier vehicles on the road
I still push bicycle infrastructure, but I’m not going to push for everybody to get on bikes. I’m going to push for everybody to stop having such goddamn offensive dangerous vehicles (yes please drive at me at 90 km/h with blinding headlights in a 4,000 lb vehicle with a hood that is above my eye level when I’m in a vehicle with 8 in of ground clearance), and try to get them to realize that no it’s not okay because it came that way, you bought it and you have a responsibility as the owner and driver
And I don’t drive a large crossover, I drive an escape phev, carpool with 2 other people, and use it for more than just ‘30 pounds of groceries’.
I have filled it to the brim and gone camping multiple times this year, use it to transport my recycling to the transfer station every couple months, and at least twice a year do a large grocery shop at the Costco 4 hours away, stuffing it as full as I can manage.
I regularly use it to transport things that wouldn’t fit in a vehicle smaller than this one. Hell, I managed to stuff my stove in the thing, though only just barely.
For my daily commute, since I charge it both at home and at work, I only burn 3-4L of gas, which I would say is quite good for nearly 150km.
The only way for my daily/weekly/monthly/yearly routine to be more eco friendly is if I could afford to trade it in for a full electric vehicle - and with the trips I do on a regular basis (including camping, day trips to the ‘nearby’ lakes, occasional work driving), I would need something with a range above 600km, preferably 700km to be safe in the winter. Otherwise I would have to maintain 2 vehicles - one an electric with a range of at least 200km and the other a small truck or mid sized SUV, and that kind of defeats the entire purpose.
right, like you’re using your vehicle appropriately for its capabilities. people seem to think that they need to use it at 10% of its capabilities
10%? Try 1%… For every 1 of me in this area there are literally 10 lifted king cab shortboxes that never get used for truck purposes on the highway for the same commute as me.
The excuse is always “but I need it if I go offroad or want to tow my boat/camper to the lake!” as if they do that more than once a year.
Bicycle road rage does exist, between road bikers and regulars, between fast electric and regulars and in general because plenty assholes do also ride bicycles if the infrastructure is good enough.
Other than that, all valid points!
Let us have safe bicycle infrastructure do that we can bike to those stores, how about that? And with that, add mixed constructions in the suburbs so that people have small local stores around.
Not everyone live in a big city where there is everything you need in terms of grocery and services.
Living in a small city, I can walk to do most of my day by day routine, but I need a car to be able to go where there are services/shops that are not present. And being a small city the public transportation or every solution where you just rent the car/bike/whatever to use a couple of hours are not really present since it is not economically sustainable (too few people spreaded on a relatively too big area)
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I’m all for fuck the US but don’t you think Canada can make it’s own cars? Being dependent on China’s economy is no better than being dependent on the US or Europe.
While Canada making its own affordable, long range EV’s would be ideal in the long run, we literally have no canadian-owned production facilities or brands that currently can, or do produce low or mid end cars, and Canada seems to have no interest in subsidising those.
Which means, in the short run, I want a vehicle I can afford to buy that doesn’t give me range anxiety, and the only reason I can’t is because Canada literally doubled the price of the cars that currently exist that fit my requirements because the US asked them to.
Hydro Quebec invented BYD’s battery technology, the only reason they licensed it to BYD in the first place is nobody else was going to do anything with it.
Not one more penny for this Nazi!
I’m genuinely surprised people be ok with BYD on Lemmy. It’s authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don’t have to choose the lesser evil.
Why would I give a fucking shit? Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data. Honestly, I’d rather china have my data than a fucking capitalist company or America. At least china won’t do anything to me, our government is more of a threat to the average American than china is.
What a defeatist take.
Or… live in a place or advocate for a place where spyware cars arent a necessity for simply existing…
When something is 100% required for life, someone WILL exploit it
Where is that?
Hey, man, I’m right there with you. I’m not planning on buying a new car unless I’m 100% confident I can disable or remove all of its networking and spyware services. I’m just stating that it’s stupid that the average American will buy a new car and then say this shit about these cars just because they’re Chinese.
Honestly a Chinese car spying on you probably has less negative impact on your life vs any other brand that does business with American companies, of course assuming you yourself are american and live in America.
Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data
Fuck me, it has to be sad living in this paranoid state…
I’d rather china have my data than a fucking capitalist company or America
Ignorance at it’s best. You’d rather support the state that is committing literal genocide than capitalism.
Sure, capitalism is cancer and sucks, but I don’t think it’s worse than genocide, mate.
Ignorance is bliss I guess? New cars are pretty much computers on wheels that collect data. This is not a secret or anything.
I mean, fuck China and the genocide of the Uighur. It’s terrible. But I’m pretty confident that capitalism killed a whole lot more people throughout history.
Unfortunately they are all bad. Nissan and Renault did pretty badly on privacy (something about recording sexual activity?)
“though researchers identified Renault as the least problematic.”
Renault was found to be the least problematic and this was one point for me to buy a Renault. Did not consent to data collection as I bought it (used). I am not consenting in the cars systems and I dont use the cloud service. Installed OVMS and called it a day…
You are right - I stand corrected.
New cars are pretty much computers on wheels that collect data
There’s a difference between what telemetry a German car gathers, and what a Chinese car gathers. And where is it sent.
The data from EU companies is anonymised and private. The data from Chinese companies is always available to their government.
I mean, fuck China and the genocide of the Uighur. It’s terrible. But I’m pretty confident that capitalism killed a whole lot more people throughout history
Ah, I guess it’s fine then. Since throughout history more people died because of capitalist policies, then we can support China with a clear conscience!
I do 100% agree with this, though:
Ignorance is bliss I guess?
The data from EU companies is anonymised and private. The data from Chinese companies is always available to their government.
Just trust me bro, the EU respects you but the Chinese are out to get you. The same EU that still has a special trade agreement with the genocidal Zionists, and is their biggest trading partner. The same continent that colonized and enslaved much of the rest of the world for centuries.Those are the good guys that you should implicitly trust, no proof needed you paranoid dummy. The red Chinese, they’re the scary ones. Fear them.
Haha, tell that VW who stored positional data with full precision against their own rules (the CCC Chaos computer Club did a good presentation about this).
when compared with elon’s nazi spyware?
There are more than 2 options here.
We’re in a thread that directly compares Tesla and BYD. Thankfully there are other EV manufacturers.
I’m genuinely surprised people be ok with BYD on Lemmy
You are actually genuinely surprised… people on lemmy like something from china? I guess you know not a lot about lemmy lol.
Here’s a hint: A lot of people on lemmy love china, especially the people who created it, and even moreso the people who populated it in its first days. You should look into lemmy a bit more if that’s genuinely surprising to you.
Lemmy has always been retarded like that.
Is it. I know it’s a Chinese company but is there any evidence that there is anything going on?
The evidence is in the fact that it’s a Chinese company. They are required by law to provide the government with all the data they collect (and we know they collect data).
Right but has anybody actually run a packet inspector on the data, or even confirm that it is sending packets back and by what method?
Because everybody “knows” China does this but everybody also “knows” that the Facebook app listens to you. As far as I know no evidence has ever been provided of either claim. The evidence is always ooh well I spoke about yoghurts and then 3 days later I had an advert for a yoghurt, which is somewhat unconvincing as conclusive proof.
everybody also “knows” that the Facebook app listens to you
As for China - THIS the bog-standard procedure for any tech-related company when an employee has to travel to China. Give them a burner phone and laptop, zero company data on them, zero access to critical company data, after they return, just throw the gear away.
I honestly don’t now what other proof would you need, when we know them spying on regular people has been happening for decades.
That article does not contain any actual evidence of any wrongdoing by Facebook. The reason I don’t think that they are listening is that would be an utterly insane amount of data and 99% of it would be worthless.
The clinch would be someone pointing to some actual data, which is why I keep asking for the packets, and yet years later no one has ever produced them. No cybersecurity expert has ever been able to show me a packet, it’s the simplest thing in the world and, they can’t find them. If you’re into a conspiracy theories explain how that works. They are allegedly listening to you except there was no evidence of any data is going to the Facebook servers. So how are they getting it?
Facebook have a lot of data and people really aren’t as random as they think they are I’m sure they can algorithmically get this data without having to resort to to listening on the microphone.
Yes it literally phones back every bit of data. What other evidence do you need?
Cool. Now provide us with sources. Besides buzzword banger articles I haven’t seen hard proof. At least not more than other brands. Meanwhile Tesla has been doing this for training their self driving and we’ve been fine with it. And so do most cars under the norm of telemetry data.
The actual packets would be nice. Since you obviously have that evidence because you’re saying they “literally” do it would you mind providing it?
Here you go:
- https://www.byd.com/en-th/data-privacy
- https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10416925
- https://region.com.au/worst-offenders-respond-to-claims-their-cars-are-spying-on-you/818187/
Do you really think that CCP politely declines this free data? It’s so easy to hide spyware under “anonymous performance telimetry” - didn’t we learn anything from Cabridge Analytica and a billion of other cases? God lord, you people deserve to be spied on.
Spending billions on propaganda simply works.
It’s crazy how effective it is too. Especially on places like Tiktok
Why would someone who doesn’t live in China give a shit about Chinese spyware, especially when the alternative is any of the big US/EU manufacturers who happily hand your information to your own government?
China can’t do shit to yall. I’d include myself in there, but I quite enjoyed my time in China and intend to return, so Chinese spyware could actually be a threat to me.
enemy of my enemy shit, I suppose.
Even ignoring that horrendously simple minded reason for not caring about privacy…
You’d still support the CCP lol
Yes? They’ve lifted a billion people out of poverty, produce more green energy than the rest of the world combined, helped fight the Japanese in WWII, I might have my criticisms of the CPC, particularly regarding their lack of support for LGBT+, allowing Shanghai to fuck over zero covid until it had to be abandoned, and some really dumb laws, overall I have to support them because we’ve seen what happens when liberalism triumphs over communism. If you’re lucky, your entire populace is immiserated and you get decades of rightwing dictators robbing the populace blind, see the former USSR, If your not, anyone who isn’t right of Reagan is shot, see Korea and Indonesia.
Lemmy has always been retarded
Lemmy is weird. As long as you’re on the dogpile against the current “big bad” of the week, you’re good to go. Fuck Tesla? Then let’s buy Chinese products.
It’s insane, but it’s where we are.
It’s authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don’t have to choose the lesser evil.
Let’s not forget that they are actively committing genocide against the Uighur. I don’t think they are the “lesser evil”.
Or still actively occupy Tibet, how conveniently everyone forgot that but yay a slightly cheaper car!
What, do you want to bring back the theocratic, slave-owning Lamas? I haven’t been to Tibet to as them, but I really doubt the average person wants what you seem to want for them.
Because Tibet never got the chance to transition to a modern country. FYI China invaded in 1950 Oct 6th - at that time big chunk of the world was still theocratic, autocratic and slave owning.
And during the 1950s, the US trained the former slaves owners, gave them weapons, then airdropped them into Tibet to lead an uprising, they were lynched by their former slaves, but even today is still angling to install the Dali Lama as the head of state.
If China said “yall are on your own”, do you think the US would stop doing what it is currently doing, giving money, weapons (when applicable), and diplomatic support to reactionaries who want to return to those days?
Or do you think they would suffer an immediate economic recession without China funding their development?
Country: is literally invaded
Some dude online: but US could have invaded too in some parallel universe!Lmao
They werent invaded, they were liberated. They were invaded by their former masters, with US backing in the 50s.
Right right, of course that’s true, and it’s also true that many people have requirements that can only be met by a few vehicles on the market.
I pick the cheapest.
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Can always count on slurs from people who imagine tankies behind every rock.
Do you carry a cell phone?
I don’t think Musk much cares or ever did. The goal was to milk tesla for every last dime.
He didn’t care so much he bawled on trump’s shoulder and got him to buy one.
That was for show. And not to fix the underlying problems. If he cared, he would actually find and fix the problems.
just look how he treated Twitter once he bought it. He cares…. just about the wrong shit.
Because he’s unstable and undiagnosed and in denial.
And yet somehow he seems to legitimately think that’s how you do business.
Perhaps it’s because America coddles everything under the capitalist label so he doesn’t have to do business like he has to care about it succeeding or face maybe actions have consequences. And he has too many millions to have to count anything else as a success.just worries about ppl being ‘meanies’
The system makes it so that the rich fail at failing.
Enablism and denial all the way down.
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Any non-cunts in the EV manufacturing space? Or is that a prerequisite?
Hyundai has been pretty good. And I only hear good things about Rivian and Lucid.
I have a Chevy Bolt EUV. Maybe it’s still cunty. But I’m pretty sure it better than China spyware or a Nazi.
Tesla will be bankrupt in 2 years.
what a coincidence, so will i
I wonder if a large part of this as well is strictly because BYD is priced cheaper. I know for me personally 90 percent of the reason I haven’t invested in electric is because they’re all still luxury priced.
Quick Elon, buy the President of Europe! /s
If he could be would try
i drive a 440. it’s got a giant supercharger sticking out of the hood trying to get me pulled over all the time. i have to wear earplugs while driving to avoid permanent hearing loss. there’s no way to listen to shiteating death metal while driving, because the engine is just too loud. handles turns like shit. i don’t give a fuck
finally some good news.
