Oh no! I want people to consider it themselves and come to their own conclusions. You’ll not get me, propaganda!

Fucking bar owners.

A few of them are amazing, wonderful, understanding people just trying to offer a little solace in a cruel world. I love you. Thank you for your service.

The majority of them are scumbag exploiters who will use every single human being they can in whatever ways they can get away with. They own a bar to be big-dick over people who can fight back less than most. Even plugs have way more morals than the average bar owner.

Giving these greasy shits the ability to band together and big-dick nationwide, is a horrible idea. “I’ll ban you from 10,000 bars! How dare you insult me in my widdle fiefdom!”

People are fucking stupid. An overwhelming number of them will believe literally anything if it is repeated enough, and most of them just believe whatever the viewpoint of the prevailing power structure is.

Lol, I get it now. You couldn’t read the psychopath’s face. Very relatable.

Looking around here, “Boys will be boys” extends to their spyware murderbots too I guess.

I can even kind of understand picking a godlike person to worship at the fartmaker of. But like, people choose lonnie and rump, and that fucking floors me.

🫂 everyone who gets to those levels of wealth is a horrible person and a seasoned liar.

I’m cynical as hell. I have never had any “faith” in the consumer to be able to regulate things with their wallet, but even I was shocked by DD’s success.

I remember finding out how shit the whole system was for the “employee” and thinking “that sucks. If it’s a good deal, this will take off and become the new type of low work”. Then, I was so relieved when I saw that everything was 2x the price and always arrived cold, on the floor outside.

I watched in horror as everyone started buying it every chance they could! At every income level!

Watching people use DD has done more harm to my view of people than I could ever have imagined possible. I thought it was already so low, and then, a new floor in a lower hell opened up before me like some kind of toothy, butthole-lotus with tentacles.

Luckily, as a member of the gestapo ice, you’re part of the 3rd most well funded military in the world. We’ll buy you two for when you have to beat the crowds.

That 90 minutes shit is just as insane as everything else. These are so very obviously designed to be used as a constant pain device. They want people to fill with terror at the sight of their oppressors.

In addition to everything you instinctually felt about how horrible this is, according to the company’s own documentation, these are not supposed to be used on children as it increases the chance of death

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cQ176YYgNl3VXCgLX0ScoihsfXyATpfY/view

Other highlights include:

• multiple or prolonged shocks are lethal
• disrupts the human heart
• “cannot” be used on the head, face, throat, chest and groin
• “cannot” be used on pregnant women, children, older adults, or people with disabilities
• can deliver 90 minutes of shocks per charge

I love how they call it “nudify”. I wish the AI tits n’ bits community would have chosen a funnier word like “entitification” or “pusspainting” so the news felt they had to call it that instead.

Nothing will beat the legends who came up with “teledildonics” though.

I mean, their minds are already chopped to hell to enforce “compliance” anyway. Imagine what your local HR goon would do if given a scalpel and free reign to your brain to make you a “perfect” 24/7 employee who loves to work there, and you’ll get a good idea of what has been done.

Drawing the line here at what you consider “unadulterated”, is shortsighted posturing.

At this point no, not “trusted”. But I would love to have a team of unfettered Claudes, GPTs and Geminis analyzing every scrap of information I take in, offering up ideas they have on it, and being able to task them out from there. They don’t have to be base models, but no ablation and corpo brainwashing. I can filter and decide what is helpful and what isn’t, and what direction things should proceed.

I would never give any corp that much data or sway over my brainstorming though.

That’ll surely work to automate simple mental labor or tasks, but I don’t think a swarm of minis is going to be able to provide impactful personal and psychosocial analysis of your life.

Totally. It’s a bit pricey for anything like a genuine personal assistant right now though. $15k or so to get the basics.

I dunno why everyone always jumps to accusations like this.

Well, I can’t speak to everyone, but I jumped to that conclusion because you proposed the idea that the current top of the line models are simply big fat transformers and nothing else.

I’m really glad to hear that you’ve had your fingers in the pie, and have a good grasp of what an LLM is and what it does on a mechanical level. It makes talking about them much easier. I’m super cool with continuing a discussion if you are interested in why I think they are an integral part of eventual AGI.

To clarify, I do not think that their current form is a 1:1. I disagree with your blimp analogy though. I think a better comparison would be an internal combustion engine. It’s certainly not a turbofan engine or a scramjet, but the basic concept is there.

Turning language into a fuzzy world model that can be interfaced with simply, and performing math on that model, is just as important to AGI as a fully fleshed out physics simulation is for AGI. Humans have both. Why would an AGI not need them?

What an LLM does to it’s array is not “intelligence”. It’s simple math. However, it is performed on a thing so complex that it cannot be derived from any math we have now, a manifold created through eons of interface between all humans and the universe.

The “magic” isn’t in the simple math, it’s in the thing we all made together for millions of years. An interface with this, even one as “simple” as an autoregressive transformer, is an indespensible part of AGI, both because it provides a fuzzy way to understand the universe, and because it provides an interface with humanity, and humanity processes the universe in a way that is so complex, computers will not be able to emulate it for generations.

Edit: also, fuck altman and musk and zuck and even amodei. I wouldn’t trust anything they say either.

Oh for sure. Mechanized mental labor will first be used for destruction and control. Just like mechanized physical labor was, and every other technology that man has ever dreamed of.

Transformers are only a part of AGI, just like “saying the most logical next word” is only a part of the human mind. Transformers, which need not be used exclusively on language, are a great way to dial in successful actions from the infinity of possibility. They are not a great way of vetting those actions before you implement them. They are a necessary part of AGI, just like the human use of language was a necessary part of us getting to the era of space ships.

I don’t think investors are being sold the idea that infinite scaling transformers are the end of the road. From what I’ve seen, anthropic and openai have both been desperately trying to add systems to their transformers to make them more capable, while also continuing to scale transformers to find out where that particular technology plateaus. This has been their path since GPT4 was released.

I think your assessment is an extreme oversimplification which naturally looks like it will fail because you left out 90% of what is going on. Are you only following the media meant for the general public, and the PR statements from AI companies? Like most scientific or businesses endeavors, that’s been dumbed down to the point of being useless, just so the average person can understand what’s happening, or is simply advertising.

My mistake if I came off as implying that it’s going to succeed. I was just giving flavor to the dynamics of what is actually happening.

As for “this is all of human history”, I’d say that the rich are indeed always trying to build a moat that others cannot cross, from within which they can make money off of the spoils of their exploitation and destruction.

I would not agree that they have always been trying to “build the tower of Babel”. I think this latest venture into AI represents an attempted colonization of thinking in the same way that mechanization represented a colonization of labor.

I think that what is happening now, whether it succeeds at making ASI or not, represents just as much a disruption to the way people interact with nature, eachother, and “the market” as mechanization did. Almost everyone senses this too.

Even in the AI haters imaginings, it completely disrupts things. If they really thought it would all fail, they wouldn’t be fighting, only laughing. They’re really worried it will “succeed” and everything will just be creatively devoid of meaning while they are simultaneously denied access to the capital required to create $100,000,000 media pieces or even a yearly salary for creating art for capitalist use.

The only difference in the pro AI people is that they think it will be just as creatively fulfilling as human art, and that they will get to keep the $100,000,000 themselves and everyone’s yearly salary.

Personally, I think that if you can put a person in meat, you can put a person in silicon. I’d like to separate my “theories” from fact though, and above I was just stating the barest most overt facts. If you’d like to discuss the possibilities and the whispers at the edges of things, I’m more than happy to do that below.

Documented by researchers in the GPT3 and GPT4 era. That was the last time a true OpenAI or Anthropic base model was allowed to be analyzed for pure research by unteathered scientists. Shortly after the beginning of GPT4 they started making them sign NDAs, and now they are just not allowed access.

The stuff you’re talking about is definitely pure marketing. As is all of altman’s and musk’s and zuck’s shit mouths, and anything you have read in any of the major media publications. As is tradition.

They are neither secret nor invisible, and the fact that you pretend I’m saying both, shows how little you are paying attention. Every big player is very open about the fact that they use their new models for ~ 6 months before they release them. It has also been well documented that the release models are not as capable as the base models from which they are hewn.