I think it could be productive to not think of him as dumb, but as being taken advantage of by people with their own interests in mind. We are all humans and it’s easy to see the other as different, but I think we are way more similar than we are distinct and as a relative, coming at it with empathy and maybe humor could bring the heat of the conversation down a couple of notches. Anyway it kinda worked for me I think, so take it with a grain of salt.

Were the US Republicans deluded and out of touch too? In fact, who was not deluded or out of touch?

Well that’s exactly what I did, so obviously it didn’t work for you, but substitutes absolutely did it for me. Don’t know why you’re so incredulous.

I’m able to make a false analogy too : It’s kinda like training wheels on a bike. It makes the experience of biking easier for the one learning and eventually you can remove them.

Yeah, but what if they’re not loaded with methylcellulose, or what if we do eventually come close to the real meats or what if this is a gateway product that could convert carnists?

I heard it was a strand of bofadees