Im pretty sure matrix.org data has been and will be sharing data with law enforcement. Even if you use encryption, they collect loads of metadata. With smaller servers it depends on local jurisdiction i guess.
Matrix.org is one of my big concerns with Matrix, as it oversees most big groupchats. If you selfhost your server, chances are it is still observing some of your conversations due to just how big and prevalent it is.
The moment they start rolling out any closed or paid features and the immediate reaction of the community isnt forking the entire protocol, i will ditch matrix. Ive become very trigger happy with this stuff.
I am content with XMPP for now. I know it has some flaws but seems like Matrix brings more - such as heavier servers and most importantly for me - the “store everything” aspect.
Of course they will. They only company that has actually ever refused, to my knowledge, is lavabit, and that’s because they shut down their operations entirely when the gov demanded encryption keys due to Snowden.
The fact that such an enormous portion of users and groups are on the matrix.org server is a huge problem.
You don’t have to be “pretty sure”, you can just read their law enforcement policies here.
They’re not, nor have they ever been, a group of folk trying to hide from governments/LE: they’re a legal company headquartered in the UK, and are bound by its laws.
Having said that, they’re also historically against the UK Government’s attempts at instilling things like encryption backdoors.
If you’re still paranoid, host your own server; you can still use Element (the client hosted at Element.io) to access it.
I meant from a user perspective. Sending images doesn’t work half of the time, the search is completely useless if you have tens of thousands of messages etc. I use it every day btw.
Element.io ~
Better, but still not great, because a lot of metadata gets collected even if the conversations themselves do not. Might I suggest SimpleX instead?
I actually tried SimpleX because of this person…
SimpleX gets a lot of things right. In particular:
My main concern for them is that they are backed by several investors (some VCs) with no concrete public plan as to how to pay them back.
Oh, nice. Whatever works.
Im pretty sure matrix.org data has been and will be sharing data with law enforcement. Even if you use encryption, they collect loads of metadata. With smaller servers it depends on local jurisdiction i guess.
Matrix.org is one of my big concerns with Matrix, as it oversees most big groupchats. If you selfhost your server, chances are it is still observing some of your conversations due to just how big and prevalent it is.
The moment they start rolling out any closed or paid features and the immediate reaction of the community isnt forking the entire protocol, i will ditch matrix. Ive become very trigger happy with this stuff.
I am content with XMPP for now. I know it has some flaws but seems like Matrix brings more - such as heavier servers and most importantly for me - the “store everything” aspect.
Of course they will. They only company that has actually ever refused, to my knowledge, is lavabit, and that’s because they shut down their operations entirely when the gov demanded encryption keys due to Snowden.
The fact that such an enormous portion of users and groups are on the matrix.org server is a huge problem.
You don’t have to be “pretty sure”, you can just read their law enforcement policies here.
They’re not, nor have they ever been, a group of folk trying to hide from governments/LE: they’re a legal company headquartered in the UK, and are bound by its laws.
Having said that, they’re also historically against the UK Government’s attempts at instilling things like encryption backdoors.
If you’re still paranoid, host your own server; you can still use Element (the client hosted at Element.io) to access it.
Threema is also really good, and they’re very close to the full release of the desktop app.
I really want to like it, but from a technical perspective, it just doesn’t work well tbh.
What’s issue do you see with it? It’s cryptographically secure and has been audited. The fact that it’s centralized doesn’t really matter.
I meant from a user perspective. Sending images doesn’t work half of the time, the search is completely useless if you have tens of thousands of messages etc. I use it every day btw.
Your experience with threema is… weird? For me both of those things work perfectly. Much better than Element, for example.
If you’d like you can contact me on my Threema ID at 6CH24JJE so we can troubleshoot this in my group on Threema.