There’s a lot to unpack but I think you aren’t being intellectually honest but that doesn’t matter.
The label ‘incel’ was co-opted by mostly hard-right chantards, taken from an online community with VERY different ideals that modern 4chan incels. The truth is most ‘modern’ incels are actually volcels (voluntary celibates) that actively poison their own minds with misogynistic male supremacy ideology, making them a special kind of terrible partner. Think ten million Andrew Tates but broke and with worse hygiene.
‘normie’ isn’t specifically incel speak, but rather chantard speak, of which modern incels often have their online social roots in. All Honda Civics are cars, but not all cars are Honda Civics.
Incels are loath to fuck each other because a) most are male and homophobic, and b) they already view each other as low quality partners per definition.
So you should know that not many people outside of the incelsphere use the word ‘normie’ unironically anymore. Lots of other groups used to, me being a part of several, and we stopped using it to avoid association a few years back but the chantards were being so loud with it that no one noticed really.
A lot of language works like that, when you see despicable people using a phrase that you commonly use, you generally tend to stop using them. Which is why there are things like corporate slogans and bumper stickers. All branding and identity.
So people self-segregate their language by creating new in-group words and retiring common definitions and whether or not they adopt out-group slang. This creates a unique fingerprint that, if a user is mostly exclusive to that slang group, they will treat the slang as common parlance and unconsciously slip into it when interacting with out-groups.
For example, when Digg died, it was common for redditors to call out the immigrating users for their particular line spacing which wasn’t really used on reddit at the time. Same language, slightly different slang, but fundamentally different message structure.
4chan’s 2016 crowd were super adept at sniffing out incoming redditors to a degree that almost makes me envious.
So when someone uses the phrase ‘normie’ like that, they are very likely to have spent most of their social upbringing (when linguistic adoption is still plastic) on chan-adjacent incel boards.
Oh. I see. I thought someone wanted to communicate that “no time to smile” and “you should respect other people” thing to me which, eh, causes the opposite reaction.
If that is really, honestly the emotion and context implied from the word, I am going to ask you, as a non-native speaker, what should I replace it to refer to somebody “obnoxious”+“more normal than you”+“more social than you”+“consciously ignorant of details and proud of that”+“watching TV news”+“thinking one can be morally correct while logically incorrect”+“oblivious of their discourse not being the only one”+“judgemental” and other unpleasant traits of many people, connected to arrogance, ignorance and lack of empathy, but with the implication of those traits being hardly avoidable due to lack of experiences those “less normal” of us had.
I think it would be more helpful if you directly learned that most other people live much richer inner lives than you give credit for.
And frankly, MOST of the human race falls into some of your categories at points, especially the ‘ignorant of details’.
It’s better for your mental health not to stereotype too much or you’ll end up a misanthrope like me.
Alternatively: you could use the phrase ‘Knowlessman’, as it was a legit derogatory label back in the day, and is pretty clear about its meaning right on the face.
I think it would be more helpful if you directly learned that most other people live much richer inner lives than you give credit for.
It usually turns out to be less, because I tend to become overly excited about people. Anyway, you can’t know what I give them credit for, I’m only talking about one part of their inner lives.
And frankly, MOST of the human race falls into some of your categories at points, especially the ‘ignorant of details’.
All of it, it’s a relative thing. For, like I said, a medical professional I am an example of <word I’m looking for> often.
It’s better for your mental health not to stereotype too much or you’ll end up a misanthrope like me.
That’s true, but not always avoidable. We need sometimes to put our brain into a certain state to solve tasks. And we can’t switch it back for everything else immediately.
Alternatively: you could use the phrase ‘Knowlessman’, as it was a legit derogatory label back in the day, and is pretty clear about its meaning right on the face.
It doesn’t quite grasp the part about deceiving oneself that some profession is much simpler than it really is, or some area of life, and so on, and reinforcing that with some tribal feeling. But OK.
There’s a lot to unpack but I think you aren’t being intellectually honest but that doesn’t matter.
The label ‘incel’ was co-opted by mostly hard-right chantards, taken from an online community with VERY different ideals that modern 4chan incels. The truth is most ‘modern’ incels are actually volcels (voluntary celibates) that actively poison their own minds with misogynistic male supremacy ideology, making them a special kind of terrible partner. Think ten million Andrew Tates but broke and with worse hygiene.
‘normie’ isn’t specifically incel speak, but rather chantard speak, of which modern incels often have their online social roots in. All Honda Civics are cars, but not all cars are Honda Civics.
Incels are loath to fuck each other because a) most are male and homophobic, and b) they already view each other as low quality partners per definition.
OK. I know that. So?
So you should know that not many people outside of the incelsphere use the word ‘normie’ unironically anymore. Lots of other groups used to, me being a part of several, and we stopped using it to avoid association a few years back but the chantards were being so loud with it that no one noticed really.
A lot of language works like that, when you see despicable people using a phrase that you commonly use, you generally tend to stop using them. Which is why there are things like corporate slogans and bumper stickers. All branding and identity.
So people self-segregate their language by creating new in-group words and retiring common definitions and whether or not they adopt out-group slang. This creates a unique fingerprint that, if a user is mostly exclusive to that slang group, they will treat the slang as common parlance and unconsciously slip into it when interacting with out-groups.
For example, when Digg died, it was common for redditors to call out the immigrating users for their particular line spacing which wasn’t really used on reddit at the time. Same language, slightly different slang, but fundamentally different message structure.
4chan’s 2016 crowd were super adept at sniffing out incoming redditors to a degree that almost makes me envious.
So when someone uses the phrase ‘normie’ like that, they are very likely to have spent most of their social upbringing (when linguistic adoption is still plastic) on chan-adjacent incel boards.
Oh. I see. I thought someone wanted to communicate that “no time to smile” and “you should respect other people” thing to me which, eh, causes the opposite reaction.
If that is really, honestly the emotion and context implied from the word, I am going to ask you, as a non-native speaker, what should I replace it to refer to somebody “obnoxious”+“more normal than you”+“more social than you”+“consciously ignorant of details and proud of that”+“watching TV news”+“thinking one can be morally correct while logically incorrect”+“oblivious of their discourse not being the only one”+“judgemental” and other unpleasant traits of many people, connected to arrogance, ignorance and lack of empathy, but with the implication of those traits being hardly avoidable due to lack of experiences those “less normal” of us had.
I think it would be more helpful if you directly learned that most other people live much richer inner lives than you give credit for.
And frankly, MOST of the human race falls into some of your categories at points, especially the ‘ignorant of details’.
It’s better for your mental health not to stereotype too much or you’ll end up a misanthrope like me.
Alternatively: you could use the phrase ‘Knowlessman’, as it was a legit derogatory label back in the day, and is pretty clear about its meaning right on the face.
It usually turns out to be less, because I tend to become overly excited about people. Anyway, you can’t know what I give them credit for, I’m only talking about one part of their inner lives.
All of it, it’s a relative thing. For, like I said, a medical professional I am an example of <word I’m looking for> often.
That’s true, but not always avoidable. We need sometimes to put our brain into a certain state to solve tasks. And we can’t switch it back for everything else immediately.
It doesn’t quite grasp the part about deceiving oneself that some profession is much simpler than it really is, or some area of life, and so on, and reinforcing that with some tribal feeling. But OK.