This relies on the misunderstanding that fascism is a movement let by individuals due to their ideals that can be prevented by other individuals with other ideals. In reality fascism is the reaction of one part of the ruling class to the falling rate of profit in which it pits one section of the working class against another in order to create a cheaper and more exploitable labor pool. Voting for the “not fascist” party doesn’t solve this because the rate of profit will continue to fall and some section of the ruling class will always recognize that there is no other solution to that problem that does not remove them from power.
Voting in a way that leads to the Conservatives getting a majority government leads to fascism. Due to the combination of a party system and first past the post voting, unless you can convince Liberal and NDP voters to all vote Green, voting for them likely means that the party competing against the Conservatives in your riding won’t get your vote, which means the vote has virtually no impact.
That does depend on your riding though; in ridings where there’s no chance of Conservatives winning, sure, vote Green.
And then there’s ridings like mine where the Conservatives are almost guaranteed to win and Greens aren’t even running a candidate. I’d run myself, but at this point I’d rather take the slim chance that the Liberals can finally unseat the Conservative candidate who’s been our MP for over a decade.
Greens have a great platform. And that means that everyone with money and power is going to do all they can to keep them from winning seats.
Ah, so you didn’t even read the comment. Congrats. Go ahead and “strategic vote” and have fun making this country ever so slightly more like the U.S. by forcing smaller parties to dissolve creating a two-party system.
Layton would be rolling in his grave seeing the lack of fight people have for their values these days.
Actually, I was disagreeing with it in a thoughtful manner instead of just discounting you or your argument altogether.
I used to vote by your logic. Then I changed strategy when I saw how the system was set up to favour bad and worse.
So now I locally push for proportional representation and encourage people to support the Green party, while also voting “strategically” where that term means voting for the least bad candidate who has a chance of winning at the Federal level.
At the municipal and provincial level? I vote Green or whatever the nearest option is.
Made a wrong assumption then, not that it means anything, but downvoting myself to make up for jumping to conclusions.
What I think is that the Greens and NDP are highly disappointing, and as much as they overall don’t align with my values, I’ll likely be voting Canadian Future since I refuse to vote NDP unless Jagmeet steps down and they get their leadership act together. I would have voted for the Greens if they ran a candidate in my riding like they said they would on their site, but come April 9th when the entries list was finalised, they were nowhere to be seen. Even then it was only because I’ve been impressed with Pedneault to the point that it makes up for May still being party head.
I just feel that we could in such a different position where people didn’t have this conception of there being a need to strategic vote if these two parties actually fought like they should be. The NDP being this low after achieving Dentalcare for Canadians is beyond pathetic. Jagmeet says it in his speeches, but it should be all over the place with their advertising talking about how they strong-armed the Liberals into passing it.
You receive:
A fascist government
Loss of sovereignty
'Cause the Greens aren’t going to win, but they will make it easier for the Conservatives to win.
This relies on the misunderstanding that fascism is a movement let by individuals due to their ideals that can be prevented by other individuals with other ideals. In reality fascism is the reaction of one part of the ruling class to the falling rate of profit in which it pits one section of the working class against another in order to create a cheaper and more exploitable labor pool. Voting for the “not fascist” party doesn’t solve this because the rate of profit will continue to fall and some section of the ruling class will always recognize that there is no other solution to that problem that does not remove them from power.
Hey guys! Look! A Lemmy.World user!
Point and laugh!
But seriously what the hell is with this mindset always seeming to come from .world?
Is anything they said false? Does this comment help anything? Do you feel better for having made it?
So you also think not voting Liberal leads to fascism? I love when parties are entitled to my vote, that’s definitely how democracy works.
My comment here summarises things.
Voting in a way that leads to the Conservatives getting a majority government leads to fascism. Due to the combination of a party system and first past the post voting, unless you can convince Liberal and NDP voters to all vote Green, voting for them likely means that the party competing against the Conservatives in your riding won’t get your vote, which means the vote has virtually no impact.
That does depend on your riding though; in ridings where there’s no chance of Conservatives winning, sure, vote Green.
And then there’s ridings like mine where the Conservatives are almost guaranteed to win and Greens aren’t even running a candidate. I’d run myself, but at this point I’d rather take the slim chance that the Liberals can finally unseat the Conservative candidate who’s been our MP for over a decade.
Greens have a great platform. And that means that everyone with money and power is going to do all they can to keep them from winning seats.
Ah, so you didn’t even read the comment. Congrats. Go ahead and “strategic vote” and have fun making this country ever so slightly more like the U.S. by forcing smaller parties to dissolve creating a two-party system.
Layton would be rolling in his grave seeing the lack of fight people have for their values these days.
Actually, I was disagreeing with it in a thoughtful manner instead of just discounting you or your argument altogether.
I used to vote by your logic. Then I changed strategy when I saw how the system was set up to favour bad and worse.
So now I locally push for proportional representation and encourage people to support the Green party, while also voting “strategically” where that term means voting for the least bad candidate who has a chance of winning at the Federal level.
At the municipal and provincial level? I vote Green or whatever the nearest option is.
Made a wrong assumption then, not that it means anything, but downvoting myself to make up for jumping to conclusions.
What I think is that the Greens and NDP are highly disappointing, and as much as they overall don’t align with my values, I’ll likely be voting Canadian Future since I refuse to vote NDP unless Jagmeet steps down and they get their leadership act together. I would have voted for the Greens if they ran a candidate in my riding like they said they would on their site, but come April 9th when the entries list was finalised, they were nowhere to be seen. Even then it was only because I’ve been impressed with Pedneault to the point that it makes up for May still being party head.
I just feel that we could in such a different position where people didn’t have this conception of there being a need to strategic vote if these two parties actually fought like they should be. The NDP being this low after achieving Dentalcare for Canadians is beyond pathetic. Jagmeet says it in his speeches, but it should be all over the place with their advertising talking about how they strong-armed the Liberals into passing it.